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Старый 16.03.2019, 19:26   #441
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More builds would be viable if there weren’t so many restrictive rules... we are practically tellling you what army to bring.

That being said, I think you guys are overestimating how bad this is. Sure, with ardiaei/Saba the builds were always the same, but those factions have limited useful units. Many factions can (and did) bring a variety of builds during the tournament.

Even in previous patches, bobi, making armies still followed the same general principal: bring as many OP units as u can (evocati, baktrian noble horse, sword followers, cataphracts, depending on the patch) and then supplement with cost effective units that will help u achieve ur game plan (kite, rush, balanced, etc— whatever u think will work vs opponent)

Basically, if a faction has the units to work in kiting, rushing, or balanced, then it’s viable to bring different builds. However, many factions are better equipped to rush, or play balanced, and those factions are gonna bring the build that best works, and there often is only one build that is best. It would be stupid if every faction could do any of those (kite/rush/balance). So some factions can bring multiple build types (parth, pont, Rome, carth come to mind immediately). But some factions can’t, because their strengths are not well rounded.

That doesn’t really seem like a problem to me, and this is the way that things were even in blade balance... just with BB more factions were viable (and a few more units). But if we played BB enough, I guarantee you many factions would still bring basically 1-2 builds just cuz they were very good.

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Probably you are right. Saba basically had 2 build during the entire tournament and Ardiaei had 1-2 as well. I wonder what will happen if we use my idea tho....It will be interesting. Imagine parthian sword rush vs tylis kite xD
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Старый 16.03.2019, 20:23   #442
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Yeah but imo that’s just not a good thing for the game, some factions have to be specialists and some more general
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Старый 16.03.2019, 20:39   #443
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Yeah but imo that’s just not a good thing for the game, some factions have to be specialists and some more general
why not? Rome 2 is kinda boring, no matter rulesets, no matter limitations it's kinda same thing we're playing from years(it kinda became even worse compared to couple years ago). This will make it fun once again. I might host something like that eventually. Maybe when aoc con finish and prob nappy tourney.
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Старый 16.03.2019, 20:56   #444
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Well then variety of factions is basically worthless. It makes no sense for a barb faction to go full kite. Balance is created by having different strengths, not every faction having all the tools to do anything.
Rome 2 isn’t boring for me, but even if it is for some people, you can’t argue that it’s because of the limitation of builds, because the rules are constantly changing and the different patches (and to some degree meta shifts) have completely changed what people are using in their armies. I know at least for myself that I’m not using the armies I did even a few months ago, let alone for the many years I’ve played
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:03   #445
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rly? I'm using exact same builds from 2017 lol (except new dlc factions ofc). Anyways with this strange new idea there is no need for that many rules. And how are rules constantly changing? The basic ruleset is same from 2017. 5 swords 11-12 inf. I feel like we need some feral ruleset to spice the things a little bit.
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:08   #446
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I find that hard to believe, because the meta has changed significantly since the line patch was released

Personally I’m happy to go back to OG rules.
6 galatian legionaries + 6 gal swords will always be in my heart

But do u want faction diversity or build diversity? I’ll take faction diversity any day
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:16   #447
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I find that hard to believe, because the meta has changed significantly since the line patch was released

Personally I’m happy to go back to OG rules.
6 galatian legionaries + 6 gal swords will always be in my heart

But do u want faction diversity or build diversity? I’ll take faction diversity any day
I've never rly played meta lol. Too bad my favourite build doesn't work anymore ;-; (shield bearers+pikes). And regarding faction+build diversity: with this only nomads will have to be banned and only rules will prob be max 6 same no art + something against kite and all will depend on RN Jesus.
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:30   #448
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this is from BB? or ur own mod
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:33   #449
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this is from BB? or ur own mod
vanilla, I even used shield bearers + pike combo in tournament hosted on clancommunity lol and you might have forgotten but my idea is basically player A to pick player B's faction and build and vice verca but there is a 50% chance that the build will be used by player A
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:53   #450
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that seems way to gimmicky for a serious tournament. Fun, but gimmicky
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Старый 16.03.2019, 21:56   #451
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that seems way to gimmicky for a serious tournament. Fun, but gimmicky
As I said I feel like we need something to spice things up
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Старый 17.03.2019, 04:27   #452
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I had prepared a lot of builds. But if you extract something efficient end up with two things. 8 jav and 444 Builds do.
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Турнир завершен,скоро победители получат свои награды.
Спасибо всем кто принимал участие в турнире.
Спасибо всем кто помогал с правилами особенно хочу выделить Asserora и Bobi.
До встреч на следующих турнирах.

The tournament is completed, the winners will soon receive their awards.
Thanks to everyone who participated in the tournament.
Thanks to everyone who helped with the rules. I especially want to highlight Asseror and Bobi.
See you at the next tournaments.
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